Hello my Spilling Chai listeners! How is everyone doing? Welcome to Episode 5 of Season 2 of the show, coming to you from Washington, DC. The word “immigration” brings up so many different kinds of emotions and images for people. In Trump’s America, for me the word brings to mind families being tear-gassed and separated at the border; children in cages sleeping under aluminum blankets. Under Donald Trump, even legal immigration and seeking asylum is treated as criminal.

Well, our guest today knows and understands this issue perhaps better than anyone because of all the time she spent researching and studying Stephen Miller– Senior Policy Advisor for the Trump admin, and the man in charge of formulating immigration policy.

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